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Doug Soles
05-22-2013, 08:51 AM
Anyone have scratches to report?

Great Oak is dropping Destiny Collins from the 1600. Ashley Helbig from Great Oak will get in. Sounds like there was another drop, so the 2nd girls 1600 alternate should also get in. Any others?

Doug

cush
05-22-2013, 10:36 AM
on another note, will there be an updated list including any girls who may have gotten in the 800 due to protests?

Hal Harkness
05-22-2013, 10:43 AM
We put the Saugus and Vista del Lago girls in the 800.

Mark Gardner
05-23-2013, 06:56 AM
2nd time in five years that a Vista del Lago girl has been added into the Masters Meet after falling during the 800 meters.... (useless trivia note for the day)

Track Dude
05-24-2013, 06:59 AM
I have a big problem with how Dorsey hurdler and state leader Reggie Bell made it through BOTH the Clerk of the Course and the Staging Area without ever being warned of his uniform violation. Does anyone know if he was allowed to have a "run-off" this week?

Thanks in advance.

RichEde
05-24-2013, 07:13 AM
Rule 4-3 Note: The ultimate responsibility to have each competitor compliant with uniform and jewelry rules is with the coach.

Track Dude
05-24-2013, 10:00 AM
Rule 4-3 Note: The ultimate responsibility to have each competitor compliant with uniform and jewelry rules is with the coach.

Sorry, but under a National Federation rule revision that went into effect THIS year, athletes must be given a warning for a uniform/jewelry violation before a disqualification can take place. A warning was not made to Reggie Bell until the hurdlers had already come out of their blocks, not once, not twice, but on the third time. It wasn't until then, that one of the three-person starter crew noticed the violation. It's downright mind-boggling that the Clerk of the Course, the Officials in the Staging Area, and even the starting crew missed "this" so badly.

RichEde
05-24-2013, 11:18 AM
Ah, but he WAS given a warning and allowed to change. Under the old rule he would have been disqualified immediately. It is difficult to believe that all those officials missed the shirt (as, according to his coach, did all the starters at every meet in which he competed this year).

Chad Scott
05-24-2013, 11:18 AM
Sorry, but under a National Federation rule revision that went into effect THIS year, athletes must be given a warning for a uniform/jewelry violation before a disqualification can take place.
He was given a warning, which is why he was allowed to go change and not given a DQ.


A warning was not made to Reggie Bell until the hurdlers had already come out of their blocks, not once, not twice, but on the third time. It wasn't until then, that one of the three-person starter crew noticed the violation.
It does not matter when the violation was noticed or that he used the uniform before. If it is against the rules, then it's against the rules. "But officer, I did 75mph on this highway yesterday and I didn't get pulled over."


It's downright mind-boggling that the Clerk of the Course, the Officials in the Staging Area, and even the starting crew missed "this" so badly.
Too many people are trying to place blame on staging, clerk of the course, etc. It's HIS fault.

That being said, is it really any kind of big deal that the uniform says "football" on it? Nope. Nobody has an advantage or anything like that. But the fact still remains that the uniform violates the established rules, it was noticed by the official (when it was noticed is irrelevant), and he was told to fix the violation (not immediately given a DQ).

cajunkid44
05-24-2013, 12:07 PM
What is a mystery to me is how and why would the Head Coach/assistants have allowed him to run anywhere or anytime in his DORSEY FOOTBALL shirt. Certainly someone should have realized that he would have been caught. Imagine if he had made it to the State Finals and was DQ'ed

rnrdad
05-24-2013, 12:47 PM
Mr. Bell has been reinstated by Appeal. He was not given enough time to correct the problem.

cajunkid44
05-24-2013, 01:08 PM
Mr. Bell has been reinstated by Appeal. He was not given enough time to correct the problem. That is all well and good but why would the Coach or Mr. Bell put himself in that position in the first place?

rnrdad
05-24-2013, 01:42 PM
That is all well and good but why would the Coach or Mr. Bell put himself in that position in the first place?


Only they can answer that question.

cajunkid44
05-24-2013, 01:52 PM
Only they can answer that question.

LOL. Just thinking out loud.:D

Bob Ramsey
05-24-2013, 09:45 PM
I did some counting after tonight's meet, and then went back and counted the previous four years.

So, at the SS Masters Meet - here the number of Athletes and Relays that hit the State At-Larger Standard

'13 - 192
'12 - 188
'11 - 207
'10 - 228
'09 - 192

Of course, the standards overall, are stiffer than they were in '09

Hal Harkness
05-25-2013, 07:02 AM
The LA City Section reinstated Bell, he will be in the state meet.

Track Dude
05-25-2013, 01:04 PM
Ah, but he WAS given a warning and allowed to change. Under the old rule he would have been disqualified immediately. It is difficult to believe that all those officials missed the shirt (as, according to his coach, did all the starters at every meet in which he competed this year).

Yes, he was given a warning and allowed to change but certainly not in the realistic sense of the word.
Nothing like doing it after not one, not two, but three "pop-ups" out the blocks and having to race clear across the track stadium and back to grab the appropriate jersey.

As for all of the starters that allegedly missed this throughout the entire season.... it doesn't sound very far-fetched to me.
Ever notice how many shot and discus throwers are wearing their Team FOOTBALL shorts throughout the entire season???
And no official says a word.

Track Dude
05-25-2013, 01:05 PM
The LA City Section reinstated Bell, he will be in the state meet.

Great News!
Thank You Hal.

I'm driving 2.5 hours down to Fresno and want to see the BEST COMPETITION POSSIBLE.
We already lost the #1 300m hurdler in the State (Marquis Morris, De La Salle / NCS) due to a trail leg violation.
Interestingly enough, the official who DQ'd Marquis Morris at the Tri-Valley NCS (sub-section) Meet was the coach of a competitor.
:(

botakatobi
05-27-2013, 06:47 AM
Great News!
Thank You Hal.

I'm driving 2.5 hours down to Fresno and want to see the BEST COMPETITION POSSIBLE.
We already lost the #1 300m hurdler in the State (Marquis Morris, De La Salle / NCS) due to a trail leg violation.
Interestingly enough, the official who DQ'd Marquis Morris at the Tri-Valley NCS (sub-section) Meet was the coach of a competitor.
:(

This exact situation occured in the Munich games with the disqualification of the American's poles by the gold medalist country's official.

Regarding high school officials, the starter is generally the only red coat/blue coat at California high school dual meets. High school invitationals may not have more than a red coat or blue coats as well. It is very difficult for these few officials to get around to every athlete to ensure uniform and equipment compliance. At the higher level HS meets there are more officials, however I witness uniform violations that often go without correction.

The solution is simple if the following occurs:

The coach needs to ensure uniform compliance of his/her athletes at the meet.
The clerk need to double check.
The head event official needs to check again when he/she picks up the athletes and gives instructions.
The athlete need to do their part and comply.
If all the above do their job, there should never be the need for a uniform DQ.