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05-04-2014, 10:53 AM
Looking for some clarification on this year's CIF finals HJ competitions. The playoff bulletin shows the girls and boys pole vault using separate runways and gives specific start times for each division. The high jump shows boys followed by girls with no specific start times for divisions.

For the HJ this year, are we going back to the way it was done in the past - having one competition for boys and one for girls with all 36 competitors, and sorting out the divisional scoring when everything is completed? If so, how will this impact qualifying for the masters meet? Will there be 12 qualifiers only with jump-offs if needed for the 12th spot, or will anyone who ties the 12th best mark, regardless of number of misses, be moved on to the masters meet?

John Beattie
Buena HS

Hal Harkness
05-04-2014, 07:47 PM
Thanks for noticing our mistake, will try to get corrected ASAP. We are using one pit and jumping by division.

05-04-2014, 09:12 PM
Yikes! 4 boys competitions followed by 4 girls competitions? If you would allow 45 minutes for the competition and 15 minutes to get marks and warm up for each division (which would be moving along at a VERY rapid pace!), with a starting time of 11:00 am for the first boys division, the division one girls wouldn't be jumping until early evening - maybe 6:00 or 6:30, and wouldn't even be finished before the end of the meet (with an extremely efficient crew). If the high jump, like the pole vault, will be run by divisions, is there a possibility to have two pits going?


Hal Harkness
05-05-2014, 08:24 AM
The bulletin has been corrected. D4 Boys begin jumping at 11:00 and each succeeding division will begin one hour later with the final division (Girls D1) at 6:00.

05-05-2014, 12:18 PM
Thanks for the information Hal, but I really doubt that the High Jump competitions will stay on schedule with such a compressed time frame:

ALL athletes must be dressed in a proper, school issued, track uniform.

Boys High Jump: Girls High Jump:

Division Check-in Jumping Division Check-in Jumping
D4 10:00 11:00 D4 2:30 3:00
D3 11:30 12:00 D3 3:30 4:00
D2 12:30 1:00 D2 4:30 5:00
D1 1:30 2:00 D1 5:30 6:00

The later division girls, particularly the division 1 girls, will probably (realistically) be jumping after the running events have been concluded, in poorer lighting and temperature conditions than the earlier divisions, etc. This sets up a situation where it is really unfair to the girls in the later divisions as far as qualifying on to the masters meet. It would be much more equitable to bring in another set of pits and stardards and run two pits as has been done at Mt. SAC for the past couple of years, or run all divisions together with a 5-alive format, or even combine two divisions so that there are only 4 total competitions rather than 8 (similar to the 3200 races). Is it possible to have this discussion with others involved in the meet management and perhaps come up with a creative solution?

John Beattie

Hal Harkness
05-05-2014, 01:00 PM
The running events do not finish until 7:15 at the earliest. The weather or lighting will not be a problem. You are remembering the marathon pole vault competitions of the past.

05-05-2014, 04:38 PM
My experience is, in 20 years of coaching the high jump, that it will be unrealistic to expect to complete 8 consecutive flights of CIF finals level high jump in an hour each. You have to allow for getting marks, run throughs and warm up jumps, athletes checking out for other events, and the possibility of a long competition with the highly competitive fields. I'm concerned that the time frame is being underestimated, and I hope that you might consider other options for the sake of fair competition for the athletes.

Thank you for your consideration!
John Beattie

Hal Harkness
05-05-2014, 06:44 PM
This is the way we are going to do it. It is our responsibility to make sure that it works.

05-07-2014, 11:09 AM
As I recall, last year we did use 2 pits and allowed 1:30 per division. On both pits, the officials were waiting around for the next division. It's tight, but do-able.