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Thread: Official Unofficial 2013 Cross-Country "Rankings" Thread

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    My Boy's CIF-SS D4 Rankings with scores.

    1. Salesian 78
    2. Harvard Westlake 126
    3. JSerra 137
    4. Don Bosco 153
    5. Laguna Beach 158 -
    6. Crean Lutheran 161
    7. Morro Bay 183
    8. Big Bear 185
    9. Fillmore 186


    State Rankings D4 - no scores
    1. Salesian
    2. Yreka
    3. Harvard Westlake
    4. Seaside
    5. JSerra
    6. Don Bosco
    7. Laguna Beach
    8. Crean Lutheran
    9. Scott’s Valley
    10. Morro Bay
    Last edited by Robby Cherry; 06-06-2013 at 02:44 PM.

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    Good to see some more rankings for D-4, I was thinking about trying to rank with scoring but found it really difficult, how did you go about it.
    Scott Wittkop
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    Head Boys Cross Country
    Head Boys Track & Field

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    I only took XC results into account. So it isn't going to be the most accurate prediction out there. But basically I went through the results at CIF Finals and just counted the returning athletes and scored out the meet. If a team did not have five runners returning then I had to do a little bit of extrapolation based on how their 5, 6, and 7 runners ran last year. In most cases I estimated these runners to finish in the mid 50s. Here is a detailed account of my scoring if you are interested:

    Big Bear 1, 27, 35, 60, 62 = 185 points
    Crean Lutheran 2, 31, 32, 46, 50= 161 points
    Don Bosco 3, 18, 25, 52, 55 = 153 points
    Harvard Westlake 4, 14, 28, 29, 51 = 126 points
    Salesian 5, 9, 10, 20, 34 = 78 points
    Morro Bay 6, 37, 41, 49, 50 =183 points
    Costa Mesa 7, 33 > 200 points
    Santa Ynez 8, 38, 54, 65, 66 > 200points
    Twenty Nine Palms 11,>200 points
    JSerra 12, 13, 24, 39, 49 =137 points
    Oaks Christian 15, >200 points
    Fillmore 16, 30, 50?, 50? , 50? = 186 points
    Laguna Beach 17, 19, 26, 40, 56= 158 points
    Riverside Prep 21> 200 points
    San Marino 22, 23, 43, 45, 57, =200 points
    Crespi 36, 42, 44,…>200 points

    Obviously these rankings are just a starting point and many of the teams listed here have an opportunity to move up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yesstiles View Post
    Nice analysis Scott! It's always nice to see some D-4 talk on here. I'm sure jealous looking at your f/s squad. Great job with them this past year. I need to figure something out up here because I had 0 freshman run track for me this season, and only 2 freshman last xc season. Our size and demographics are changing so rapidly here in Big Bear, it's really gonna be a chore trying to keep up. We only have 13 boys returning next season but have a nice core of current sophomores. Some great programs out there keeping us on our toes!

    jonathan stiles
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    big bear hs
    Hey Jonathan I am taking 5 or 6 guys up there for a weekend (July 12-14th). Any chance you would want to get our kids together for a run, we will BBQ for you guys afterwards. You can e-mail me at swittkop@lbusd.org
    Scott Wittkop
    Laguna Beach High School
    Head Boys Cross Country
    Head Boys Track & Field

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    Unless I missed it I saw rankings for the SS for D1 Boys, but anyone come up with a ranking of D1 Boys for the state?

    Thanks

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    i've marshaled exactly no scientific data, excluded most rational thought, and depended completely on the hunches of a former l.a. city section athlete and a d2 coach who has not qualified for state the last two years:

    1. o'brien's army.
    2. hmmm...i don't know. dana hills?
    3. madera south?
    4. de la salle?
    5. o'brien's army "b" team.
    6-19. some teams from big schools throughout california.
    20-23. some teams from san francisco, oakland, and l.a. city sections (none of whom will be inviting me to a bbq after this post...).

    that's my story and i'm sticking to it...
    Last edited by cush; 07-02-2013 at 11:27 PM.

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    While I admit what you have above is much more accurate than what I have... I thought I would add mine for fun. Again... this is based on races run at Woodward Park ONLY... Ok, not 100%... Some teams didn't run at Woodward more than just the State Meet so finding 7 runners or in some cases 5 runners for a scoring team was not easy... I decided for fun I would find a way to make these teams appear in the results. So Vista Murrieta, Torrey Pines and Madera South were given some help. Vista and Torrey Pines were given their Mt. Sac Invite times plus .16 while Madera needed one more guy which they had based on Woodbridge results (actually two) and were given the same time as their #4 man.

    OK... I know, I know, I know... but I'm not Rich so it can't be perfect! Also, I added Warren since they bring back 6 guys who ran at the Clovis Invite. Now using everyone's best time on the course in 2012 doesn't take into account teams that didn't run as well at the State Meet (actually it hurt a few... mine was one of them). Also for what ever reason Torrey Pines didn't run that well at the state meet so I changed a couple of their times to reflect what they ran at Mt. Sac since in one case it was a significant change.

    Not perfect... not even close but... Shoot, we should of just gone with Cush on this one

    1 Tal Braude 11 14:57 Torrey Pines
    2 Estevan De La Rosa 11 15:05 Arcadia
    3 Miguel Bautista 11 15:20 Poly (Long Beach)
    4 Phillip Rocha 9 15:27 Arcadia
    5 Gabe Collison 11 15:30 Crescenta Valley
    6 Matthew Schumann 10 15:32 De La Salle
    7 Jake Ogden 9 15:38 Dana Hills
    8 Garrett Mullennix 11 15:39 Vista Murrieta
    9 Josue Gonzalez 11 15:40 Arcadia
    10 Mahmoud Moussa 11 15:42 Arcadia
    11 Luke Williams 11 15:43 De La Salle
    11 David Garcia 11 15:43 Madera South
    13 Jose Pacheco 11 15:45 California (Whittier)
    13 Gavin Diem 11 15:45 Dana Hills
    15 Jovani Gamboa 11 15:47 Poly (Long Beach)
    16 Benjamin Gonzalez 10 15:48 Warren
    17 Christian Vasquez 11 15:49 Poly (Long Beach)
    18 Connor Nolen 11 15:50 Clovis North
    18 Anthony Palazzo 10 15:50 Poly (Long Beach)
    20 Jacob Williams 11 15:53 Buchanan
    21 Matlazomatli Rojas 11 15:56 California (Whittier)
    22 Jarrick Wenslow 11 15:57 Arcadia
    23 Miles Meijer 10 16:02 Bellarmine Prep
    24 Nick Serrao 11 16:03 Dana Hills
    25 Maurilio Sanchez 11 16:04 Vista Murrieta
    26 Bryan Ngo 11 16:05 Arcadia
    27 Jonathan Rodriguez 10 16:06 Warren
    28 Arthur Schulte 11 16:07 Carlmont
    28 Juan Macias 10 16:07 Madera South
    30 Matt Manalo 11 16:08 Crescenta Valley
    30 Nick Beatty 11 16:08 Crescenta Valley
    30 Wyler Svoboda 11 16:08 Dana Hills
    33 Thomas Tran 11 16:10 Arcadia
    34 Eduardo Herrera 9 16:12 Madera South
    35 Edwin Morales 11 16:13 Santee EC
    36 Myles Delgado 10 16:14 Clovis North
    37 Justin Barry 11 16:15 Bellarmine Prep
    38 Trevor Voth 10 16:16 Buchanan
    39 Zachary Ponce 11 16:18 Poly (Long Beach)
    40 Brian Song 10 16:19 Davis Sr.
    41 Rudy Gonzalez 11 16:21 California (Whittier)
    42 Alex Sasser 10 16:22 Bellarmine Prep
    42 Clark Messman 11 16:22 De La Salle
    42 Eris De La Torre 11 16:22 Poly (Long Beach)
    45 Taylor Guinnip 11 16:22 Woodcreek
    46 Andres Bernal 10 16:23 Warren
    47 Davey Wong 11 16:24 Vista Murrieta
    48 Mark Vingralek 10 16:25 Carlmont
    48 Ryan Dimick 11 16:25 Carlmont
    48 Jasper Laca 11 16:25 Davis Sr.
    48 Clinton Tak 11 16:25 Vista Murrieta
    52 Michael Hernandez 11 16:26 Warren
    53 Michael Marquez 11 16:28 Madera South
    53 Jesus Cacique 10 16:28 Madera South
    53 Andres Bartolo 10 16:28 Madera South
    56 Colby Penn 9 16:30 Poly (Long Beach)
    57 Anthony Sassano 11 16:31 Buchanan
    57 Danahel Carbajal 10 16:31 Clovis North
    57 Spencer Dodds 9 16:31 Torrey Pines
    60 Timothy Wilson 11 16:32 Dana Hills
    61 Matt Seidel 11 16:33 Bellarmine Prep
    61 Ezra Soriano 11 16:33 El Camino Real
    61 Ricky Buckelew 11 16:33 El Camino Real
    64 Psalm Ocampo 10 16:36 Clovis North
    64 Brandon Iraheta 11 16:36 Warren
    66 Marshall Sears 11 16:37 Woodcreek
    67 Luis Romo 10 16:39 Woodcreek
    68 Sammy Harned 10 16:40 Dana Hills
    68 Noah Diamant 10 16:40 Torrey Pines
    70 Joey Benrubi 11 16:42 Dana Hills
    71 Trey Schwartz 11 16:44 De La Salle
    72 Samuel Bautista 10 16:45 California (Whittier)
    72 Gavin Monges 11 16:45 Davis Sr.
    74 Dontrell Davis 11 16:46 Santee EC
    75 Ryan Vance 11 16:48 Clovis North
    76 Kurtis Shaffer 11 16:50 Torrey Pines
    77 James Schulte 11 16:52 Carlmont
    78 Casey Magid 11 16:53 Crescenta Valley
    79 Ricardo Avila 10 16:54 Bellarmine Prep
    80 Daniel Rowen 11 16:55 Davis Sr.
    81 Josh Pleva 11 16:56 Bellarmine Prep
    82 Spencer Lachman 10 16:57 Woodcreek
    83 Sean Wanket 10 16:58 De La Salle
    84 Adam Rowton 10 17:00 Crescenta Valley
    84 Jack Kuzminsky 11 17:00 Torrey Pines
    86 Thomas Payne 10 17:02 Vista Murrieta
    87 Chris Malloy 10 17:03 Vista Murrieta
    88 Alex Trejo 10 17:07 California (Whittier)
    88 David Lennon 11 17:07 Clovis North
    90 Tucker Meijer 10 17:09 Bellarmine Prep
    90 Eric Nunez 9 17:09 Vista Murrieta
    92 Adam Clarke 10 17:10 Woodcreek
    93 Tom Pritsky 9 17:15 Buchanan
    93 Kellen Browning 9 17:15 Davis Sr.
    95 Chris Goertzen 10 17:17 Clovis North
    95 Matt Owens 11 17:17 Crescenta Valley
    97 William Weber 11 17:18 El Camino Real
    98 Alex Arnheiter 11 17:19 Davis Sr.
    99 Lucas Matison 10 17:22 Carlmont
    100 Jonathan Garcia 10 17:23 El Camino Real
    101 Manav Vats 10 17:24 Crescenta Valley
    102 Charlie Pope 9 17:25 Torrey Pines
    103 Jesus Cortes 9 17:26 Santee EC
    104 Blake Croft 10 17:27 Davis Sr.
    105 Drew Christofferson 10 17:30 Torrey Pines
    106 Nick Zortman 11 17:32 Woodcreek
    107 Justin Martinez 10 17:33 Santee EC
    108 Ever Morales 11 17:34 Santee EC
    109 William Chacon 10 17:46 California (Whittier)
    110 Ramiro Diaz 11 17:47 Santee EC
    111 Jonah Villegas 10 17:50 Buchanan
    112 Owen Weitzel 10 17:51 Woodcreek
    113 Noel Echerverria 9 18:04 California (Whittier)
    114 Dominic Prandini 10 18:14 Buchanan
    115 Christopher Kolar 9 18:20 Buchanan
    116 Mason Fordham 11 18:39 El Camino Real
    117 Anthony Campos 11 18:40 El Camino Real


    1 Arcadia 47 77:51:00
    2 Poly (Long Beach) 92 79:04:00
    3 Dana Hills 134 80:06:00
    4 Madera South 179 80:58:00
    5 Warren 205 81:19:00
    6 De La Salle 213 81:19:00
    7 Vista Murrieta 214 81:34:00
    8 Crescenta Valley 227 81:39:00
    9 California 235 81:54:00
    10 Bellarmine Prep 242 82:06:00
    11 Clovis North 250 81:59:00
    12 Torrey Pines 286 81:58:00
    13 Carlmont 300 83:11:00
    14 Buchanan 319 83:45:00
    15 Davis Sr. 333 83:39:00
    16 Woodcreek 352 83:45:00
    17 Santee EC 427 85:32:00
    18 El Camino Real 435 86:26:00

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    With Rich's rankings coming out sometime in the near future (sometime soon??) I guess it is time for these to make their way back up to the top. A lot of coaches have had their input and this thread really gives many others a place to start for motivation and/or inspiration.
    Keith Chann
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